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I am saying it is OK to marry a 4 year old provided she is willing to get married as well, and provided she can even say kalima tayyiba during nikah (which most 4 year olds can). It is allowed to be aroused by anyone (no matter what age) if that person is the spouse. It is not allowed to be aroused by someone you are not married to. It is ok to have sexual relations with your wife, no matter what her age is. ^[1]

A non-Muslim wrote: 4. If someone lusts after a pre-pubescent 4 year old child, gets erect and wants to ejaculate because of her, he is known as a pedophile and there is something disorderly with such a person. This is how a four year old girl looks:

(picture of a 4 year old girl)

Is it OK to make her one's wife provided she says "yes?"

Ghulam Ahmad: sure why not

Ummul Mumineen Aaisha (R.A) was six years old when she married Nabi Muhammad (S.A.W.A.S), and no one can deny this. I don't know why people make such a big deal out of it. It was common in Arab culture of those days, and Islam did not come to destroy cultures, only to change practices which Allah deems as immoral, and child marriage apparently is not immoral in the sight of Allah. I hate it when Muslims try to reconcile Islam with Western standards and ethics, rather it should be the West reconciling their standards with Islam, which is based on divine revelation. ^[3]

sona: What ever the prophet did was good.

a non-muslim wrote: What about his sins?

sona: He didn't do any sins. He was sinless!

a non-muslim wrote: So humping a 9 year old is not a sin ?

sona: If its true then no. And I would have done the same thing if I witnessed the prophet doing in at the time. I would too. ^[4]

a non-muslim wrote: how come not all muslims want to marry little girls? They dream and want to do all what mohamed did and they can do so many things mohamed did, but they don't want to marry a child like mohamed and would never have sex with a child like mohamed?

WHY? Is it because only the best of men are able to have sex with a child?

sona: I would. ^[5]

(Quran) 65:4 allows pre-puberty marriage but NOT sex. ^[6]

I don't care how those girls feel regarding sex, what I care about that if a girl or a boy reach puberty then they should be ready for legal sex. The puberty is a clear sign from Allah that legal sex may start for men and women

... it is ligcally understood from Allah signs, you reach puberty then you will be ready for legal sex, I care less who old are you then ...

Never hearrd of it (i.e., some menstrual discharge by a 4 or 5 year old girl), but yes if they reach puberty at that age, I have no problem of letting my daughyter marry at that age. ^[7]

Having sex with a 9-year old may or may not be immoral. Having sex with a 30-year old may or may not be immoral. It all depends on whether you obtained her lawfully. If her father gives her to you in marriage, it is lawful. ^[8]

I have never knowingly tried to discredit Islam. Quite the opposite I have only tried to restore islam and clear up misconceptions. I strive to present Islam in the purest form. And yes, I agree I dnt like it when muslims act smart and try to twist things just to please their western masters. Perhaps you have already noticed by now, I have little regard for western morals and values. For example, I never argue over the age of Ayesha(ra) because I dont see the point in doing so. I dont consider the act immoral when a man is legally wedded in the proper Islamic manner. But still if you disagree with me on any issue please bring it up in PM. Never insult another muslim and call him fake, especially in public. Please think over what you are doing.

... I hate it when Muslims try to reconcile Islam with Western standards and ethics, rather it should be the West reconciling their standards with Islam, which is based on divine revelation.

FFI forum member talha777 in the following post: ^[10]

I encourage Muslims in Canada to marry people from their home countries, so that their spouses can immigrate to Canada and take advantage of the open and liberal immigration policies of this country. The more Muslim immigrants constantly coming to Canada, the better, because a larger Muslim community is what our goal is. If we marry Muslims who are already in Canada, this is not helping to increase Muslim numbers in Canada. The government is particularly adament on uniting families which are apart, and this is something Muslims should take full advantage of.

Now murder, to kill someone without a just cause, is forbidden in Islam. The believers had every right to "fight" and "kill" the idolators, this does not qualify as murder. No attempt has been made to be apologetic. Allah ordered the Muslims to fight and establish His religion above all others, and to fight the idolators who had long oppressed them.

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There is no denial that people were killed whilst Islam was being established, none at all. What is being denied is that there was anything wrong with this.

xxx wrote: I'm happy to be in the West, i'm happy to be free

a non-muslim wrote: Good, what are you doing to help preserve the freedoms you enjoy in the west? Do you speak at your mosque against sharia? against terrorism? against ben laden, abu hamza? against stoning in Niggeria? Hanging in Iran? Murders of teachers in Afganistan?

Do you speak against islam that want to impose sharia all over the world? Do you speak at your mosque against 4:34 allowing men to beat their wives? Do you speak against islam's slavery? Do you speak against allah allowance of sex with slaves? Do you speak against pedophilic mariage in muslim countries? Do you speak against misyar (paying someone to have sex with her)? Do you speak against those who want to kill the Danish cartoonists? and so on...

xxx wrote: In answer to all of that, simple answer. No. Why should i be? Its not like speaking about certain things to them, will matter at all.

a non-muslim wrote: Why speaking with them won't matter at all? : Because these things are in the koran, ahadith and sunnah. And if you speak against them, you are speaking against mohamed and allah. Face it, you cannot be against these things and still be a muslim.

xxx wrote: Muslims can't even rule their own countries and you think somehow they can control the west? ^[13]

*To Worship Alla

"I have only created Jinns and men that they may serve me." (Surah 51:56)

• And

"Rasulullah 'saw' said, ‘Allah Ta’ala states, ‘O son of Adam, I created the entire universe for your benefit and I have created you (man) for my worship.’ "(Bayhaqi vol.3 pg.342; al-Muntazim vol.4 pg.295)

• But Alla does not need us to Worship him:

"If the entire mankind from Aadam till the lasy being who will surface on the earth become pious, that will never increase My Grandeur and honour and if human kind from Aadam till the last being who will come on the earth become wretched, this will not decrease My Grandeur and honour at all." (Mishkaat; Hadith 2266)

• Since men created Mischief (what a surprise):

‘Mischief has appeared on land and sea because of what the hands of man have earned, that Allah may give them a taste of some of their deeds in order that they may turn back.’ (Surah Room:41) Start the Punishment on Earth as well as in the Afterlife, Tsunamis, Earthquakes, Annoying People: "‘And indeed we will make them taste of the penalty of this life prior to the supreme penalty in order that they may repent and return." (al-Sajdah Aayat21)

• We should remember to be Thankful as per Mufti Desai's Conclusion:

"Earthquakes, floods, etc. may be some kind of misfortune, but this minor penalty may be really a mercy as it gives us a chance of repentance and turn back to Allah."^[14]

Commentary on the Fatwa:

Here is the Question:

• 1. Salam, why is it haram to talk to the opposite sex, how are you supposed to meet the right person for you then?? If you suggest that parent "match us" I think it’s not right, since you will not really know the person.
• 2. Why are pictures haram?
• 3. Why shouldn’t we have friends that are not Muslim? (Some non-Muslim are better than Muslims in their actions).
• 4. What about Earring, Why Is it haram for a men to wear an earring on his left ear. If he does not do it to resemble woman, but for fashion. You will probably tell me fashion is haram because it is not Muslim, and whoever follows a nation, is from them. Cant you be American /Muslim? Islam is a religion and a way of life, It’s not a Country is it?
• Please answer me by the Coran and not Hadith, because i only follow the Coran, since a lot of Arabic culture has been mixed up in all of this, I Don’t follow Hadith Thank You and may god bless you

The Answer:

• Four reasonable questions. Unfortunately The 4 answers given are unreasonable. The person asking is accused of lacking "Iman - Faith" and the Mufti is trying to 'Guilt' the person asking the questions into dropping that line of questioning.^[15]
  

Decent women speak only when spoken to.

beating should only be carried out to save the marriage

The man is Arabic ignorant how can he be knowledgeable in Koran.

Yes, only Allah and Islam matters to me. Nothing else I would kill my own mother if I had to.

Now if this bloody hell (It has to be bloody because its residents will be crying blood not tears) we are talking about came true, (it must has a propability doc or do you think it is 0% propable?), what are you going to do mister braveheart?

Logically speaking it has to be one propability: cry in a corner of the hell under the Zaqum tree while your rectum is being barbecued and screaming like a coward "My God My God Why You have Foresaken Me"

It is going to be impossible to show bravery while your rectum is being barbecued on that day, come on, you are a doc and you should know that, therefore you must act as a clear cut coward on that day, this bloody means that you will stay a coward for eternity. you will be trapped in cowardice FOREVER