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[edit] Thank you!

Hi Gabriel, Just wanted to pop in and say thank you for all your excellent work! It is much appreciated and your contributions are highly valued! Best Wishes Sanitarium 03:08, 4 May 2009 (PDT)

Thank you Sanitarium! I'm greatful for being allowed to be a part of this.Gabriel Ali 04:31, 4 May 2009 (PDT)

Thanks Gabriel for that excellent Persecution of Homosexuals article and the video page too! --Whale 07:34, 29 July 2009 (PDT)

No probs, Whale. This site is great and I'm glad I could contribute. Gabriel Ali 14:39, 29 July 2009 (PDT)

Argh! Sorry Gabe I forgot you weren't on that old page! I'm not out to get you I promise! Sanitarium 10:32, 31 July 2009 (PDT) --Haik 05:24, 24 August 2009 (PDT)Hi Gabriel, I see you are reformatting whatever additions I make. Excellent touch up!!! I owe a lot for your skills and kindness. Please continue your excellent work;

--Haik 05:24, 24 August 2009 (PDT)Oops... I forgot to thank Sanitarium. Thank you Sani;

You're welcome, Haik. Gabriel Ali 07:44, 24 August 2009 (PDT)

[edit] Mo/Violation articles

hi Gabe, URL's with ampersands sometimes give problems so I copied them to new pages. I couldnt move them because of the ampersand. Thanks for making the template. --Whale 17:56, 1 September 2009 (PDT)

[edit] Farewell Sermon

hi Gabe, Can you please do your expert touch up in my article A Brief Analysis of Muhammad's Farewell Sermon? It would be great if you do and only after your editing, it would look like an article. Thanks!--Haik 06:10, 10 September 2009 (PDT)

Sorry Gabe, this is the link to the article: http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/A_Brief_Analysis_of_Muhammad%E2%80%99s_Farewell_Sermon --Haik 06:12, 10 September 2009 (PDT)

No probs, Haik. I've just finished it. Gabe 16:45, 10 September 2009 (PDT)

Thank you Gabe for your excellent touch up work.--Haik 02:42, 11 September 2009 (PDT)

[edit] WikiIslam:Babel

Hello, Gabriel. I am Wikipedian from Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. I need someting to know. At there on Wikipedia, we have some routine of any member suppose to show the language skill are. For instance, I want to show my fellow users my language - what should I do? In Wikipedia, we have the Babel templates which provides almost all language skills - what about here? Yours,--Mohamed George 00:03, 11 September 2009 (PDT)

[edit] Image names

Thanks for those UK image additions! Just a quick note that if you include images, its best to name the image such that it describes it in a short way for what its about (location, who,time etc), e.g. UK-terrorism_man_injured_during_sep11_attacks or something like that. The ones we had before were renamed for ease when we were importing stuff. --Whale 06:58, 14 September 2009 (PDT)

Darn. I've been removing descriptions from the images, thinking that's what you would like. I'll make sure to include them in future. Gabe 12:23, 14 September 2009 (PDT)

No problem I should have mentioned it before :D. --Whale 12:39, 14 September 2009 (PDT)

[edit] Cats for RC pages

Looks great, for #2! For Cats, I was thinking we could create a Quran cat on a main Revelational Circumstances of the Qur'an page, and then a category of "Revelational Circumstances of the Qur'an" for each of the sub pages and that can easily be added by just editing {{rc-bottom}} (as I did just now). --Whale 08:15, 5 October 2009 (PDT)

Maybe we can do the align center in the template itself. Lets see. --Whale 12:48, 6 October 2009 (PDT)

LOL. Sorry Whale. I should have just asked. :) Gabe 12:49, 6 October 2009 (PDT)

Np, I got it. --Whale 12:52, 6 October 2009 (PDT)

[edit] Rollbacks

Hi Gabe, Can you please remember to use the welcomem template on the offenders talkpage when you rollback their vandalism? This is of course, only for first time offenders. Thanks Sanitarium 19:24, 6 October 2009 (PDT)

[edit] William of Orange

I don´t think you understand the intent of the article. People did not start believing the stroy from the de speld website, but after the story was spread around and used on other blogs. Now i have to change a lot of things around. M.vd 22:55, 16 October 2009 (PDT)

I understood perfectly well. I don't see how I altered its meaning or understand why you have reverted the edits. Gabe 23:07, 16 October 2009 (PDT)

[edit] Hadiths at top

Great additions, like this! --Whale 06:40, 24 October 2009 (PDT)

Why did you reverse my added 3 sentences? Every sentence was supported by at least one online reference to very credible sources. What's the issue?

[edit] Have Wikify'd 20 Islamic Inventions

I have made significant changes to the article that you were working on but only to make it read better. I hope you approve! Please mail me if you decide I've gone too far, but I won't object. IP86.158.184.158 05:44, 16 November 2009 (PST)

You're changes were crap. Keep up the crap work and you'll get yourself banned. Gabe 12:30, 16 November 2009 (PST)

[edit] Rollback

Gabe, I rolled back your edit on your userpage. You didn't mean to redirect it to an article, did you? Whose comment is that on your userpage anyway? Just blank it if you don't want it there. Sanitarium 00:18, 22 November 2009 (PST)

LOL. Sorry, I just thought it would be funny :) That comment (I think) is from Kenyanmuslim. Gabe 00:22, 22 November 2009 (PST)

LOL! So you *are* admitting to being Jibreel huh? I always suspected as much! You dirty, dirty angel you! hehe Sanitarium 00:24, 22 November 2009 (PST)

[edit] Hi

Who is this and why are you here? :D. welcome back, even if for a short while. --Whale 06:23, 9 June 2010 (PDT)

LOL. Thanks, Whale! I'll try to stick around as long as my internet connection will let me. :) Gabe

[edit] Hi

Thanks [1]  :) Peter Damian 06:41, 10 June 2010 (PDT)

My pleasure. BTW, great work! Enjoyed the Arab transmission of the classics essay. You learn something new every day. --Gabe

Ah thanks! Pax et multum bonum - peace and goodwill :) Peter Damian 06:54, 10 June 2010 (PDT)

[edit] Welcome back

I see you used to be an established user here. Welcome back to Wikiislam. Osmanhassan 14:54, 10 June 2010 (PDT)

Thanks for the welcome! Always nice to see more editors here. Gabe 15:02, 10 June 2010 (PDT)

[edit] first sentence

I dont agree with the 1st sentence in Qur'an only Islam - Why it is not possible that says that sunnis and shias make up almost the entirety of islam. There are still Sufis, ahmadiyyas, ibadi, salafi and various others. Osmanhassan 07:07, 11 June 2010 (PDT)

The approximated figure is sourced, and as this site is aimed primarily at Sunni Islam and most Sunni's agree with the figure, I don't see what we have to gain by challenging them. But if you possibly have a more accurate figure and Whale agrees, I have no problem with you correcting it. --Gabe 07:21, 11 June 2010 (PDT)

Yea "Together they make up almost the entirety of Islam." is true. They make up for say 95% of all the muslims but Osmanhassan if you can find something better thats cool. --Whale 09:39, 11 June 2010 (PDT)

unfortunately most statistics on the internet only cover Sunni and Shia, but hey Osmanhassan 12:55, 14 June 2010 (PDT)

[edit] mischief

i added back your stuff on mischief here

http://wikiislam.com/wiki/Quran_5:32_-_Killing_a_person_is_killing_mankind_(misinterpreted_verse)#Meaning_of_Quran_5:32

ok article has been changed by whale. plz revert his edits if you approve my ones--Bench 15:48, 12 June 2010 (PDT)

Ok, I'll have a look at it tomorrow (really late over here). BTW, good luck with your exams. --Gabe 16:00, 12 June 2010 (PDT)

thanks for imrpoving my articles. however, you remvoed some of the header in the articles "misiterrepeted verses" e.g headers that said verse.

i thought it organized it better. also make sure you dont make you introductions to agressive, or it will put people off.

i think stuff like "Western Muslims and apologists have started to cherry-pick and reject"...will put people off, especially muslims. so i think its best in the introduction not to say "muslims do this, or muslims do that.." --Bench 11:39, 18 June 2010 (PDT)

I see your point, it may put Muslims off, but I'm not sure how else we could word it without giving a false impression that Muslims (in general) are rejecting it. In the East they are not rejecting the violent hadith, they are getting MORE militant. If I went back to Bangladesh, I'd probably be lynched. --Gabe 11:55, 18 June 2010 (PDT)

[edit] unhappy

are u christian? i am getting a feeling that in many wikiislam articles you are adding stuff which promote chrisitanity (which is just as violent as islam in my opinion). i think wikiislam should have a policy where you can not promote any relegion e.g chrsitianity, sikishm e.t.c.

i will bring this up with whale???

edit: i made some improvements to the article by adding better translations of certian verses useing "Islam Awakened" website. Also WAS IT NECCESSARY TO REMOVE THE "HIDE AND SHOW" thing???, it makes the page look smaller --Bench 06:37, 19 June 2010 (PDT)

YES I'M A CHRISTIAN. What has that to do with anything? Bring it up with Whale if it makes you happy. Whale (and many of the other editors) know I'm a Christian. MY TESTIMONY SAYS I'M A CHRISTIAN. I do NOT promote Christianity here, so it doesn't bother me. and I also don't give a toss about your opinion on Christianity (and nor does anyone else here).

AND YES IT WAS NECCESSARY TO REMOVE THE "HIDE AND SHOW" THING. Its pointless, looks messy, and makes the articles more confusing to read. Who cares if it makes the page look smaller? Its not too long, and many times the "hide and show" thing only has one quote in it so it looks ridiculous.

Whale asked you yesterday to listen to my criticisms and follow my lead. Why aren't you doing that? I asked you to open a talk page FIRST to discuss any problems with my edits. Are you illiterate, or are deliberately being a pain in the ars? --Gabe 07:07, 19 June 2010 (PDT)

i have not remvoed much of your edits. Only i moved stuff from the introduction section and changed the wording...good you do not promote Christianity here. since if you did, then an athiest should be allowed to promote athiesm. i have listened to the crisitcm and went through the articles and fixed some spelling errors. --Bench 07:11, 19 June 2010 (PDT)

Some of thechanges are stupid. There's a reason why I put those two sentences into the intro I wrote, and I don't have a problem with the Evolution theory, but you're so retarded you assume every Christian is a YE Creationist, when in reality MOST CHRISTIANS believe in the theory. --Gabe 07:34, 19 June 2010 (PDT)

i was brought up as a chrsitian myself, and i know that many christians accept evolution. but they are not hardcore chrstians like the priests who reject big bang and such.

i dont want to say anymore about chrstianity, as i can see you are getting offended by my comments. i just see islam and chrstianity as 2 very similar relegions. One needs to look at the crusades to see what relegion can do to man.--Bench 07:42, 19 June 2010 (PDT)

Bench, this is wikiIslam and we dont criticize Christianity here, so keep your comments about Christianity to yourself and once again this is the last time you will make any of us mad. If you dont know how to work with other editors here then you cannot be here, sorry.

Remember you'll be banned if you make new pages, add content or make big changes to any article. First make a list of your stuff and go back following Gabe's advice to fix everything you got. --Whale 08:09, 19 June 2010 (PDT)

Bench, the Pope has no problem wit the TOE, and you don't get more "hardcore" than that. More than one billion Catholics have no problem with TOE. Most Anglicans (including my priest) have no problems with TOE. You don't know what you're talking about. And what exactly do the crusades prove? I think the hundreds of millions of deaths committed by communists (far outnumbering the deaths caused by the crusades and Inquisition) prove you don't need a god to commit evil. As for Islam and Christianity being the same, I suppose that's why you removed Are Judaism and Christianity as Violent as Islam? from the front page. LOL. and you accuse me of trying to push my beliefs on this site. I'd also appreciate it if you in the future refrained from soiling my talk-page with your anti-Christian nonsense. Thanks. --Gabe 13:34, 19 June 2010 (PDT)

[edit] fairness

also, dont you think its fair that you get my permission before editing my articles "heavily" , just like i have to get your permission to edit your articles.

i am very unhappy and think i am being treated unfairly--Bench 03:55, 20 June 2010 (PDT)

2ndly "Muslims must continue to fight until there is no religion but Islam.", this although is supported by the quotes is commentary on what the quote already says. i think it is better if we just keep quotes and dont add much commentary ourselves which look like opinions.

so i think this conclusion must go. readers should make their opinion up on their own. we shouldnt not be forcing idea's onto them. dont you agree. which is what i feel you have been doing in many articles when you add commentary on what the quotes already say. --Bench 04:03, 20 June 2010 (PDT)

Bench - First point, It has been already explained why your articles need to be heavily edited. Here I will quote myself:

Haik is one of the most knowledgeable ex-Muslims I know, and he (for example, here) had no problems with me editing his ENTIRE article. In fact he asked me to do the same to ALL of his work. So why do you have such a problem with it?

Second point, when someone is new to Islam it is hard to understand many of the hadith and verses. Adding commentary reassures the readers, makes the article a lot more interesting, and it does NOT change any of the quotes. Look at these articles by Haik and tell me how interesting and insightfull they would be without commentary:

• The Ultimate Message of the Qur'an
• The Genocide of Banu Qurayza
• A Brief Analysis of Muhammad’s Farewell Sermon
• The Story of Umm Qirfa
• Sex segregation in Islam
• The Tragedy of Aisha: a Product of Abuse

In particular, compare The Genocide of Banu Qurayza with Banu Qurayza --Gabe 04:28, 20 June 2010 (PDT)

In Talk:Abrogation (Naskh) you claim my intro is too long. Its only ten lines long, thats a decent lengh for an introduction to such an important topic. And it wouldn't matter if its thirty lines long, just so long as it explains what needs to be explained. We can't omit information because you think its too much text. This is a wiki, and in wikis people write articles, and in articles people use words. --Gabe 05:27, 20 June 2010 (PDT)

if you were reading a newspaper, regardless what you consider mroe interesting. what would you consider more truthful if the newspaper was discussing a comment made by "Barack Obama"

1. the quote that barack obama made, laid out simply in front of you. so you can judge for yourself

2. commentary from the writer explaining parts of the quote from his viewpoint

normally, option number 1 is considered more transparent. The more transparent this website is the more people will trust it.

not many people trust what they read on the internet. the "conclusion" sections you have added in many articles just repeat what the quotes already say. i do not see an purpose for it. am sure you agree it is better if the reader judges quotes for himself. and commentary on quotes also gives peopel an idea of what kind of a person the writer is, especially if its aggressive commentary. the perception of the writer is VERY IMPORTANT.--Bench 05:53, 20 June 2010 (PDT)

interesting does not always mean reliable. interesting articles are usually also made up stories in newspapers. take care--Bench 05:54, 20 June 2010 (PDT)

Bench you have had a lot of crazy ideas in the past so please, stop with all this. We cannot only quote things and not give any commentary. The point you make that we should try to be less aggressive is valid, however, we already follow that. We're a lot better than some other anti-Islamic sites. Sometimes things just have to be said the way they are.

Now please stop worrying about whether Muslims will spread this site or not and I've told you that many times before. They dont spread any anti-Islamic site, they have never done that and we have many things here that will stay here, which are not really "muslim friendly" and thats ok. We're not a wolf in sheep's clothing and to quote you, we're not trojan horse (which is what you said it should be like). We're honest. Now please stop arguing because you've made me mad before too. Stop trying to steer this site in any directions, its not going to happen. If you have issues with a certain edit, talk about that.

We say whatever is true and and worrying about how muslims will react to it, is secondary, do you get that. Its not an issue. If you want muslims to trust this site, help Realmuslim write more pro-Islamic articles. Muslims will always reject a site. You're more than welcome to start a website called "Sheikh-Islam-bin-Wisdom", put on that false muslim disguise that you've talked of before and even tried to do here and pretend you're some kind of sheikh. You can try that but that kind of wolf/sheep wont be done here. So yea, please stop arguing now, unless it is something specific in an article and keep it focused on that issue. --Whale 06:11, 20 June 2010 (PDT)

@ Bench: You've just ignored the reason why commentary is important. A bunch of quotes many times means nothing to someone who's new to Islam, it needs to be explained to them.

Your newspaper analogy is faulty. What about academic journals? Do they merely consist of quotes?

Plus we also have a section for quotes: Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Main Page

Lastly, if you're right, that would mean we have over a thousand articles that need commentary removed. --Gabe 06:16, 20 June 2010 (PDT)

i never said remove ALL commentary. just some the commentary you added just repeat what is in the quotes--Bench 06:22, 20 June 2010 (PDT)

first i have got some issues with Gabes edit, i think it is unfair that i have to ask gabe to edit his articles. but he can break and destroy my articles to bits without asking me anything.

second, i think the conclusions he added in "misinterpeted verse" article. just repeats what the quote already says. i dont think this kind of commentary which repeats what the quote already says. IS NOT NECCESSARY!!!

and i really do feel his aritcles have got a chrstian undertone. my purpose here is to show to peopel the threat radical islam is western civilisation. gabes articles need to be softened --Bench 06:24, 20 June 2010 (PDT)

Bench you say Wikipedia is better and more nuetral and all that, ok - why did you get banned from there then? block log Its simple: you obviously did something very wrong, did you not? Is that not a clue for how you do things over here too? I'm being too lenient. Writing a few good articles is not an excuse to do and say whatever you can. Your time is running out if you're going to continue like this. I dont care how many good articles you wrote, but if you cant work with other editors and work properly, you cannot be here. And no there is no christian undertone here with Gabe's work, you're crazy. --Whale 06:30, 20 June 2010 (PDT)

• The first point has already been answered. I quote myself again:

• Second point, You're shifting the goalposts. You have a problem with ANY commentary whatsoever (even an intro which is 100% needed to explain the topic) so why are you now focusing on that one line?

• Third point, there is no "Christian undertone" in my articles. In every article that I write, I explain things in a way that English speakers (Christian, atheist or whatever) can understand. Please show me where I am promoting Christianity, or refer to it as right or better than any other non-Muslim faiths? --Gabe 06:39, 20 June 2010 (PDT)

Would also like to add: Yes. As whale has already said, lowering aggressiveness is a valid point, and you will notice I actually agreed and altered some things I wrote in your articles. I mentioned them in the talk page so you would have already read it. --Gabe 06:47, 20 June 2010 (PDT)

[edit] improvement

thanks for improving that "Jihad is fard article". its just that sometimes i feel when you edit things, you add commentary that repeats what is already mentioned in the quotes. in an effort to force views onto the readers.

they should read quotes and judge themselves.--Bench 04:41, 22 June 2010 (PDT)

[edit] Hey

I couldn't find this hadith in the women article.

Narrated Usama bin Zaid: The Prophet said, "After me I have not left any affliction more harmful to men than women." Sahih Bukhari 7:62:33

Is it in there? Osmanhassan 12:56, 27 June 2010 (PDT)

Hi, Osman. I'm not sure which article you're referring to. I know I've seen that hadith on this site, but not sure where. --Gabe 13:04, 27 June 2010 (PDT)

forget about it, i just found it. Osmanhassan 13:49, 27 June 2010 (PDT)

[edit] hey

Hey gabe, be honest please. Is this article any good? Why Zakir Naik should be banned Osmanhassan 13:50, 4 July 2010 (PDT)

Yeah, although its a little short, I think its fine. All it needs is a little clean up with the formatting ect. I'll do that whenever you're happy with it being finished. --Gabe 14:21, 4 July 2010 (PDT)

I am finished. You can do whatever you want to it.

[edit] misconceptions

thanks for improving my articles in my absence . if u need any help. let me know. i will reply next time i come online--Bench 19:11, 4 July 2010 (PDT)

Okay. No probs. --Gabe 19:18, 4 July 2010 (PDT)

[edit] Hey

Gabe, i was thinking of maybe popularizing the term Muhammadanism as the term is ever in decline. Whale doesn't really like the idea, but i wanted to see your opinion. I thought we could use it more in some of our articles. Osmanhassan 12:02, 6 July 2010 (PDT) Otherwise we can sometimes replace the term muslim with Muhammadan. Osmanhassan 18:02, 6 July 2010 (PDT)

Hi, Osman. I've used the term on several occasions at FFI, but I agree with Whale to sticking with Islam and Muslims, because most sites (Wikipedia etc.) list it as a derogatory term. You could possibly include it in some articles like this: "Muslims (sometimes referred to as Muhammadans due to their excessive devotion towards Muhammad)" or another good idea would be to expand the "Muhammadanism" page, listing the various laws and rituals formed through the actions of Muhammad. --Gabe 23:51, 6 July 2010 (PDT)

[edit] duplicate stories

this site has got many duplicate stories. can u plz help me and while fix them.

i have found articles related to banu qurayza, which are duplicates

Banu Qurayza

The Genocide of Banu Qurayza

What Happened to Banu Quraytha

plz help find more.lets not make this site messy, to the point its to late to fix --Bench 08:15, 7 July 2010 (PDT)

We could merge Banu Qurayza and What Happened to Banu Quraytha as they are nothing more than a few quotes. But The Genocide of Banu Qurayza by Haik, should be left how it is as it deals with apologetics. --Gabe 08:21, 7 July 2010 (PDT)

furthermore. i remember i changed the title of the article "if anyone slew a person" , thanks for reverting my title edit. because the current title was seo friendly and comes up first on google.

see here:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&client=opera&hs=s4W&rls=en&q=+verse+5%3A32&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

good work

[edit] news rebuttals

do you think it suitable to create articles that rebuke news stories from big networks such as bbc. titles such as:

Rebuttal of BBC articles related to Islam

Rebuttal of CNN articles related to Islam

e.t.c

cuz i remember their was a guy on cnn quoting the verse "if anyone slew a person", and bbc also quotes the "lesser vs greater jihad hadith"

It depends. I wrote a rebuttal to this by Arsalan Iftikhar which I posted on a forum, but if the article will basically only focus on one issue, such as the "lesser vs greater jihad hadith" or "if anyone slew a person" then, no its not worth its own page. --Gabe 08:42, 7 July 2010 (PDT)

no, i am not saying each article should have its own page. all the articles will be one one page from that website, and we will just discuss them

i think it is unique and will get us more hits--Bench 08:52, 7 July 2010 (PDT)

[edit] hi

Is this hadith anywhere on wikiislam?

But even if your in the majority, there is an authentic hadith saying 999 MUSLIMS out OF1000 will END UP IN HELL Bukhari :: Book 6 :: Volume 60 :: Hadith 265 Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: The Prophet said, "On the day of Resurrection Allah will say, 'O Adam!' Adam will reply, 'Labbaik our Lord, and Sa'daik ' Then there will be a loud call (saying), Allah orders you to take from among your offspring a mission for the (Hell) Fire.' Adam will say, 'O Lord! Who are the mission for the (Hell) Fire?' Allah will say, 'Out of each thousand, take out 999.'

If not, should we add it to the 73 sects of Islam hadith here? :

http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Islamic_theology#Muslims_Must_Follow_the_Sunnah Osmanhassan 09:04, 12 July 2010 (PDT)

Hi, Osman. We link to that one here Islamic Hell: Allah's Eternal Torture Chamber. --Gabe 09:15, 12 July 2010 (PDT)

[edit] cousins

Cousin Marriage do sumthin Osmanhassan 06:25, 13 July 2010 (PDT)

[edit] hey

Do you think we could put some more pictures on this website to make it more intereting? heres some good ones;

http://photobucket.com/images/funny%20islam/ http://jokes.justsickshit.com/2008/satire/the-islamic-comic-book/

We have a page here for protesting Muslims, and a page here for cartoons. --Gabe 08:14, 13 July 2010 (PDT)

[edit] pic

How do i delete this pic [2] I have created a new picture [3]

I've left a message on Whale's talk-page. Its only Whale and Sani who can delete files on the wiki. --Gabe 00:06, 15 July 2010 (PDT)

[edit] sex slavery

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma_malakat_aymanukum

why not make an article about the above issue. regarding sex slaves in islam--Bench 16:05, 14 July 2010 (PDT)

You gotta do it yourself. --Whale 18:19, 14 July 2010 (PDT)

[edit] numbaz

Should we add this hadith [4] to the Numbers of Islam page? Osmanhassan 03:25, 16 July 2010 (PDT)

Hi, yeah that looks cool. But you'll have to ask Whale for a "No. 73" image. I'm not sure where they got them from. --Gabe 03:31, 16 July 2010 (PDT)

Phew, I got the prot mode on now hehe.

Osmanhasan, about the numbers, how about a collage of 71/72/73 in a circle, and not just 73. --Whale 08:39, 19 July 2010 (PDT)

yea thats okay Osmanhassan 11:08, 19 July 2010 (PDT)

[edit] flip

Flip this one Violent Quran Osmanhassan 15:02, 19 July 2010 (PDT)

Osmahasan, umm, what? You expect him to go through 500 bullet points that you copy pasted from SAQ? Ok... if you cant do anything that page then we're gonna have to delete it. Its up to you, whatever you wanna do. Let me know. --Whale 03:47, 20 July 2010 (PDT)

Hi, I don't mind neatening your work, but that's over the top. It would take me ages to go through it, and I have loads of other thing to do here. Sorry. --Gabe 04:15, 20 July 2010 (PDT)

Hey, dont watch it. I will work on it soon. Osmanhassan 04:16, 21 July 2010 (PDT)