User talk:Whale
From WikiIslam
[edit] Templates
No wonder it is not working. I promise you that as soon as the #if and #ifexpr statements start to work, I will give you the working templates. Selfworm 17:03, 15 September 2006 (CDT)
[edit] Added FFI to list
Added FFI to the list of sites at: http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/List_Islam#The_complete_list_of_sites_offering_an_Alternative_View_on_Islam
Either remove it or upload the FFI logo preferably showing me how to upload :)
cheers, Baal
- Thanks. Good to see you again. FFI is already there in the Ex-Muslim category actually but I think yes, I'll think about having the important sites on the first page. I put FFI in there now on the front page as well. I also mentioned in the FAQ and donations page that we're from FFI. Hope to see you contribute more. --Whale 06:20, 23 April 2007 (PDT)
[edit] User:Aurvandil
Hey Whale, I just thought that you might want to keep an eye on Aurvandil. For obvious reasons. selfworm 20:24, 26 April 2007 (PDT)
[edit] Page deletion?
Hey Whale, Is it okay for me to delete the | ingil page since I have moved it to Injeel? Just asking in case there is some special way to do it (i'm slow huh) Or just leave it as it is? Sanitarium 14:12, 2 May 2007 (PDT)
[edit] Blind support for JTF racists
Hi. I fully understand your concern about this wiki mirroring the status of Wikipedia. Personally, I believe that Wikipedia leans far too much on the side of Islam (which I believe to be radical by nature) and against valid critical arguements made against Islam.
However, please do some research on those whom seem to be on your side at surface level, yet when you scratch below the surface you will soon realize that those whom you thought were on your side are as bad as those whom you are rightfully critical of. "Our enemies enemy is our friend" should not be a model for FFI or anyone else taking a non-biased view of Islam.
Jewish Task Force is a white power organization. Apart from some of them being Jewish, there is little that sets them apart from other white racists organizations. By giving them a free reign here you are only serving to discredit yourselves, which would be unfortunate because I'm personally a large fan of Ali Sina and the message he supports and wish for no ill repute being done against him.
The Jewish Task Force does not differentiate between the typical Iranians, who are not radcial Islamists, if even Islamst at all, and terrorists. According to what JTF preaches, all Iranians, Ali Sina included, at radical terrorists who must be killed.
Please don't view me as someone hostile towards your Wiki or the valid message of the Wiki. I know that this wiki is growing quickly, however I do hope that you take the time to read a few of the audio programs that JTF puts out regarding Iranians. If you would like, let me know and I will compile you a list of what JTF has to say about Iranians (not just Islamic Iranians) pass this on to Ali Sina for his review.
I'm certainly not an Islamic apologist. You will not find me removing anything that is against Islam and verifiable (Islam is so vile, there is no reason to make up non-verifiable info about it!). However, please don't see this site become a hotbed of racist white supremists who feel at home here because they also dislike Islam!
Lothey 09:24, 6 May 2007 (PDT)
- Upon reading your comments to my above comment, and re-reading what I wrote above, I wish to correct something I wrote which was incorrectly written.
- As far as I know, JTF has never said anything against Ali Sina himself. However, I do stand by my statements that JTF (Mr Vancier) refers to Iranians as a whole, considering them all to be supporters of radical Islam, rather than the divided bunch that they are. He has spoken about nuking the killing the entire "nazi" nation of Iran.
- I can understand you being reluctant to take my comments about JTF's stance on Iranians without proof. I am a currently busy building up an index of anti-black and anti-hispanic comments based on his programs, so I will also take note and make copies of messages I come across regarding Iran for you.
- However, if you simply visit their website you should be able to quickly see their anti-African racism. Listen to both of their shows on their current archive and you will quickly hear anti-Hispanic racism as well. I think we should all agree with anti-Islamic stance, but we should totally reject his racism (Islam is not a race, so one can be anti-Islam without being a racist) Lothey 12:17, 6 May 2007 (PDT)
[edit] Verse 4:16
I don't know why there isn't any criticism concerning the verse 4:16 which says: 004.015 YUSUFALI: If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, Take the evidence of four (Reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or Allah ordain for them some (other) way. Isn't this also women rights abuse? - Jabe88
[edit] Wikipedia articles
Do you think we should create a template for articles taken from wikipedia or something similar to gorup those articles?--Wanderer 18:19, 7 June 2007 (PDT)
- I guess what might be better would be to create an Islam template, similar to the one on wikipedia.--Wanderer 00:41, 9 June 2007 (PDT)
[edit] Expanding this project
This seems hopeless to manually transfer articles from Wikipedia.
It would be great to (1) save everything at WikiIslam, (2) transfer all the over 1,800,000 articles from Wikipedia to here, and finally (3) add the over 400 saved articles back to here while ensuring that saved articles with names that will have existed here don't over-write the transferred articles. That is, the current Ayman Zawahiri article should append the current al-Qaeda article at Wikipedia. --Fribble 19:16, 7 June 2007 (PDT)
[edit] See Source Watch
- Basically, many of the articles at Category:Islam of Wikipedia and Category:Islam of Wikiquote should be transferred here.
Red links un-related to Islam should be disabled. SourceWatch is a wiki project about people, organizations and issues. It catalogs PR firms, activist groups and government agencies... It that project, the article only focus on those things.
At Source Watch, if you enter Islam, you will be directed to Wikipedia. On the other hand, if you enter Council on American-Islamic Relations, then you will see its own article because it falls within the scope of Source Watch.--Fribble 07:28, 8 June 2007 (PDT)
[edit] New articles
Whale, Thanks for moving the pages under construction to my talk page. I think that makes sense. I'll let you know as and when the other pages will get completed and we can then move them back to the main page. Thanks, Humanityfirst
[edit] Policies & guidelines
You seem to be maintaining this project; so, I wish to make a suggestion.
What drives Islam was created with good intentions, I think. However, you should create some policy or at least a guideline that we need to cite sources and put {{fact}} after statements without sources.
At other projects that require a neutral view point, I have seen even sourced statements removed and articles deleted.
In order to make this site worth people's time to visit, I opine that we insist that it is okay to have a viewpoint, but please make an attempt to produce a scholarly article by adding sources, videos, external links,etc.--Fribble 07:54, 11 June 2007 (PDT)
[edit] Image deletion request
Hello Whale, I am sorry I uploaded a gif animation by mistake and I wanted to delete it but couldn't find how to. Please tell me or delete investigateislam.gif Thank you and thank you for all what you do for wikiislam —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Anna Doe (talk • contribs). ( How to sign your posts. ?)
[edit] CAIR
I doubt they would get anywhere with a defamation suit. If they could, they would remove unindicted co-conspirators.
I am not familiar with the legal stuff, but I know that a public figure--I don't know if it is restricted to humans--can't file such a lawsuit in the US.--Fribble 15:57, 17 June 2007 (PDT)
[edit] Islam
I made a change at [1].
I think it is inane to say things like "very super extremist Islamist", etc. You and I know that Islam itself is totalitarian and terrorism. In other words, that true Islam & Islamism are bad, not just Islamism.--Fribble 21:34, 19 June 2007 (PDT)
- Please see the Your work section. I might later remove some things on my talk page for privacy reasons.--Fribble 04:23, 20 June 2007 (PDT)
- I had added [[Category:Victims of Islam]] with many articles in it. Within those articles, I had added external links of for videos of victims being beheaded like Kim Sun-il. All articles within it were deleted. Their chances of survival at WP is extremely low.
Here is another one. About one year ago, the Wikipedia article for Imam Khomeini used to say something about Hassan Pakravan. Today, the name Pakravan doesn't even exist in the Imam Khomeini article at WP. It got eventually deleted every time it was inserted in the article.--Fribble 07:09, 20 June 2007 (PDT)
[edit] Discreting Islamic experts
Another one: At WP, the Sheikh Osama bin Laden article' infobox has nothing about his religion. It falsely says that he has no standing to issue religious opinions. It makes it seem as if bin Laden has never studied Islam. However, his fatwas, statements, and many speeches, and other things prove that he is an expert in Islamic law.
People tried this with Khomeini. See "The leaders of the Pahlavi regime, in an attempt to forestall the rising tide of the Islamic revolutionary movement, were hard at work to cast doubt on the question of the Imam Khomeini's position as a Marja'a (a top religious authority) and in this way, undermine public faith in his academic, political and religious competence".--Fribble 07:32, 20 June 2007 (PDT)
I believe that we should add everything related to Islam here. Also, we can add a template at the bottom of the article that would, for example, link to WP for up-to-date info on Islamic totalitarianism. WP's deficiency on Islamic articles may be its pro-Islam point of view. However, it is the most comprehensive encyclopedia. We might have to compromise up-to-date-ness.
Here, Islamic military jurisprudence article used to say that Islamic law makes no distinction between civilians and military folks. Islam divided people into combatants and non-combatants. A combatant, according to Islamic law, is anyone who fights, or supports the fighting with his money or views. On the other hand, WP article confuses things, but may be up-to-date.--Fribble 07:52, 20 June 2007 (PDT)
[edit] Sensitivities
You see, Selfworm wants to turn this into WikiPedia. Veiled Babes is clearly about Muslims. There were other sources that I don't have time to research again. Also, we were supposed to have more freedom at WikiIslam. There are many way worse article that have almost no sources and have stayed here. While the Religious Affairs Minister of Pakistan Ejaz-ul-Haq says, "If someone commits suicide bombing to protect the honour of the Prophet Mohammad, his act is justified," we in the West have no spine to pin-point Islamic evils. It seems like we want to allow this project to be hi-jacked by people who stab in the back of humanity by posing as moderates Muslims and secularists to call for sensitivity, end to prejudice, and better understanding of Islam[2].--Fribble 11:07, 20 June 2007 (PDT)
- On top of the many sources that existed in article, let me give you another one in an article about Azar Nafisi. How much more explicit can it get, when someone writes, "I was once asked by an editor at Nerve to write something about how the veil is actually sexy. I found the suggestion offensive on so many levels: that I should be presumed to have any expertise about Iran because of my racial background, that important political issues should be approached in such a breezy, frivolous manner, and that an editor should give me the conclusion of an essay rather than merely the subject. To make an analogy, it would be a little like asking an African-American to write about how soft the cotton was that was picked in the old South, the thread count of white Georgia’s bedsheets. The veil can be erotic but in a political context it is not; it is a kind of seal on property, a mark of submission.--Fribble 11:12, 20 June 2007 (PDT)
[edit] Hidden articles at WP
- Khula. Look at [3] & [4]
- Rule of Islamic law
- Islamic totalitarianism had the Jihadis and Whores link at WikiIslam.
One thing that may have escaped your attention is that article at WP evolve to hide the true nature of Islam. In cases where deletions don't work, users rely upon source removals, mergers, & redirects. Blasphemy laws of the Islamic Republic of Iran and Blasphemy laws of Pakistan could later be merged into Blasphemy and Islam.
A very sensitive article would be like Hadith regarding stoning at WP; look at [5]. Articles at WP are in a constant flux to promote Islam.
Also, I suggest that it wouldn't be a bad idea if we had articles on core Islamic concepts like sharia and Criticism of Islam, etc. After 6 months or more, the articles become quite different. It won't hurt people to have 2 sources of reference.--Fribble 12:14, 20 June 2007 (PDT)
[edit] Save time
Articles Humood bin Uqla Ash-Shu'aibi and Mansour Dadallah are original articles. You can create a page called WikiIslam:Acknowledgements in lieu of add a WP template to each article.
IMHO, this project is veering in the wrong direction. Deleting the Saifullah Sheikh Osama bin Laden article & putting the videos therein in Videos on Islam:Terrorists is a sign of timidity. It sounds like officials who want to omit "Islam" every time. Bin Laden is a jihadist and Islamic terrorist.--Fribble 22:54, 21 June 2007 (PDT)
- Ofcourse he's both of those. I'll check on those pages later. --Whale talk contribs 09:16, 22 June 2007 (PDT)
[edit] Deletions
You might want to copy the speedy deletion template here, so we can mark articles and pages we don't want quicky to be deleted. --Wanderer 22:14, 25 June 2007 (PDT)
You might also want to create a template to put on the top of articles to let people know they are being put up for deletion.--Wanderer 22:20, 25 June 2007 (PDT)
[edit] {{reflist}}
It would probably be helpful if you could add this template to the toolbox. This template is the standard reference template on wikipedia, and probably will be here too shortly.--Wanderer 18:47, 26 June 2007 (PDT)
[edit] Deletion
Please delete my talk page.--Fribble 02:39, 2 July 2007 (PDT)
Please delete my user page & talk page.--Fribble 14:52, 28 July 2007 (PDT)
[edit] Robertto
I saw you banned Robertto for life. I think that way too harsh. What incredible evil menacing crime had he committed to deserve this faith? Can't you just suspend him for a month or so like you did with others? I really don't think he is that bad, and should at least give him a change to redeem himself. Demon 13:24, 3 July 2007 (PDT)
[edit] Synopsis
Can't you wait five minutes before you delete other people's work?
[edit] Revathi Masoosai
Whale, I included the source of the article and explicitly listed Houston chronicle and copyright AP. Isn't that sufficient? We can remove the text if you think that's a problem but my impression is htat if you include the source, etc, you're fine. humanity first.
Whale, I also wanted to ask you. I have a picture for Dr Younus Shaikh and his article. http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Dr._Younus_Shaikh how can i add it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Humanityfirst (talk • contribs). ( How to sign your posts. ?)
[edit] Archive image
I am trying to create the archive template and am having a difficult time uploading the Image:Replacement filing cabinet.svg from Wikimedia commons. Do you think you can upload it?--Wanderer 20:38, 8 July 2007 (PDT)
[edit] Embedding
See if you can enable the embedding of Live Video, blip tv, MetaCafe clips.
Also, it would be very helpful if you added {{DEFAULTSORT:}} to MediaWiki:Edittools.--Fribble 21:15, 12 July 2007 (PDT)
- The embedding of Daily Motion videos should be easy.--Fribble 02:39, 16 July 2007 (PDT)
[edit] Timeline of Islamic Expansion
Hello Whale, if you could be so kind as to explain to me how I am to make my old Wikipedia copy-and-paste article, Timeline of Islamic Expansion, into a redirect to the Wikipedia article Timeline of Muslim history then it would be greatly appreciated. I would do this immediately but I don't know how! Could you please explain. Thanks. selfworm 01:16, 13 July 2007 (PDT)
[edit] Yahoo! news links
Don't archive news links like http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070629/ap_on_re_mi_ea/living_with_hamas;_ylt=AsMjfZJPMkaob5vUBupULfNvaA8F in the Older News page.
Yahoo! does not archive its news. All its news links become dead within a month or two. I was adding those links to get votes for them. My action was stupid, and I will refrain from doing so in the future.
One can search using the title to find a news outlet that archives its news. Here it would be at Washington Post and a slew of other sites that publish and archive the same AP story.--Fribble 08:25, 13 July 2007 (PDT)
- Another example: The Rushdie says he no longer fears Islamic death threat on the Older News page is no longer active.--Fribble 08:29, 13 July 2007 (PDT)
[edit] Videos
Thank you for adding the video tags.
I avoid adding videos of individual speakers like Ayman Zawahiri to videos on Islam because there are a lot of Islamic clerics or jihadis and I don't want to make the template huge. Instead I add [[Category:Multimedia]] to the articles.
Additionally, I admit, in the past, I was adding videos without watching the whole thing myself. I will refrain from doing hereon out. If the video is long like an hour, looks fine, I don't have time to examine it, and I feel like I should add it, then I will place it under the external links.
Lastly, you should change any of my edits without hesitation. I had added http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1uGtlE5Wfc to show how some Muslims trick people into thinking Islam is a good religion when they attribute intuitively good things to Islam. Now I see that such a video might not be very helpful in exposing Islam.
If you revert or modify my edits, then it won't disconcert because I defer to your judgment. In exceptional cases, I will plead with you as I did for the veil fetish article.--Fribble 00:13, 25 July 2007 (PDT)
[edit] User:Islamsucks/7
There is a famous forgery that many muslims believe is the original gospel it is called the gospel of barnabas i am going to show the sources of the text--Islamsucks 20:00, 26 July 2007 (PDT)
The gospel of barnabas even used Dante's inferno --Islamsucks 20:01, 26 July 2007 (PDT)
Please help I can't get the coding to work--Islamsucks 20:50, 26 July 2007 (PDT)
I got it too work and did a comparison of chapter 24 with luke 16--Islamsucks 21:35, 26 July 2007 (PDT)
[edit] Hi
hello Whale, I am ready for working and create alot of articles and are very happy to work with you guys. btw I wonder how you did create this wiki with alot of templates and functions and the WikiIslam logo. thank you very much. Karius 12:19, 11 August 2007 (PDT)
[edit] Hadith regarding stoning
Hadith regarding stoning and similar articles have been censored at Wikipedia. Consequently, now the truth about Islam is neither there nor here.
I guess I was right when I said that fundamental and controversial articles from WP transferred to here shouldn't have been deleted.
Islamic users and their non-Muslim mercenaries move slowly but surely. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia#Treatment_of_non-Muslims & http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia#Freedom_of_speech might dis-appear within a few months.--Fribble 03:07, 19 August 2007 (PDT)
- The cache is still there and all the hadiths there, we have those hadiths already here. Other similiar articles are not of value to us. If you see an article being deleted there on wikipedia, let me know. Another which might be useful is this, but not so much. I've still saved it to my computer in case we need it later. --Whale (talk/contribs) 05:39, 19 August 2007 (PDT)
--- See my talk page for a query.--Fribble 21:16, 3 September 2007 (PDT)
